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Hey,

I was wondering, because improvised suppressors would match the setting quite nicely, wether there is anything planned in that direction. There are a couple of devices out there, that allow the use of for example vehicle oil filters as suppressors (for example econo-can). they are attached by means of a muzzle adapter. since they are hollow to begin with the first bullet pierces the bottom and you have an area for the gasses to expand in.

could be implemented in a way so that you can buy the adapter and maybe find the filters on the maps. As in real life they could be of limited use and decaying in effectiveness over time, and the first bullet being less effective of course. Also including the main drawback of pretty much destroying you sightpicture.

i thought it would be a nice addition for a resource deprived area.

keep up the good work.

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N-O THIS ISNT CALIFORNIA WHERE EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL AND NO ONE HAS MONEY THIS IS A WARZONE FILLED WITH FULLY EQUIPPED PMCS AND THERE GEAR IS EVERYWHERE.

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whoa man ;)

my intention was not to unsettle you in a way to provoke such a strong reaction. my goal was merely to propose an implementation, that on the one hand would possibly make for a nice gameplay addition as well as match the atmosphere of the game.

It was in no way my intention to propose to take away the 'proper' silencers, that you seem to care deeply about xD

I hope you accept my humble apology for having tipped your emotional balance.

On the other hand we should let the developers decide what they see fit to implement in the game. I'm merely making suggestions here.

have a nice day

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I like this idea, it could fit into the adapting scale of things for sure, and give a use for items. Like duct taping mags together etc, something you can use the items you find in the world instead of just trading or selling them off. Along the lines of what you said, everything would have a draw back or positive depending on the nature of it. 

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I like this idea. Would be cool to loot an item in the raid, equip it as a temporary silencer at the risk of it being unreliable and being able to take someone out. Would add a fun element to the game and make looting and exploration more purposeful. It would also give players who dont have traders levelled or loads of cash to be able to make use of things such a silencers. 

Many will probably disagree but i'd also like to be able to loot and find items so you can craft IEDs in your hideout. Crappy homemade grenades or perhaps some form of land/proximity mines. Will rub some people the wrong way but if RPGs and grenade launchers are coming then why not...

I like the idea of having to explore and loot for practical purposes rather than just looting to sell. It adds a more exploratory element in an otherwise brutal FPS. Which is why I think all loot and loot locations should be made completely random in each raid. 

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2 hours ago, Sandsii said:

I like this idea. Would be cool to loot an item in the raid, equip it as a temporary silencer at the risk of it being unreliable and being able to take someone out. Would add a fun element to the game and make looting and exploration more purposeful.

that was the gist of the idea. although you would probably still have to buy the adapter for the filter.

but as you said, having a purpose for items you loot apart from just selling them would be nice. For example taping two magazines together with ducktape to have one quicker reload.

the whole reliability issue you mention sounds nice. maybe you could buy new oilfilters from traders for cheap, and if you loot one in a raid from a car it is naturally used and poses the risk of lowering your damage/damaging your gun.

that would make for a nice excercise in gamebalance/realism.

having different improvised items you can craft could even be split in crafting 'on the fly' in a raid and stuff you need to craft in specialised facilitie in your hideout.

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Hmm I like this Idea but they shouldn't be infinite type suppressors, depending on the round let's say if you were firing a 9mm you could get 2 or 3 shots off and if it's a bigger caliber you could get 1 or 2.

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On 11/09/2017 at 8:11 PM, Carl_Wheezer said:

N-O THIS ISNT CALIFORNIA WHERE EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL AND NO ONE HAS MONEY THIS IS A WARZONE FILLED WITH FULLY EQUIPPED PMCS AND THERE GEAR IS EVERYWHERE.

Savage mofo!

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On 9/11/2017 at 2:07 PM, AsbeelFox said:

whoa man ;)

my intention was not to unsettle you in a way to provoke such a strong reaction. my goal was merely to propose an implementation, that on the one hand would possibly make for a nice gameplay addition as well as match the atmosphere of the game.

It was in no way my intention to propose to take away the 'proper' silencers, that you seem to care deeply about xD

I hope you accept my humble apology for having tipped your emotional balance.

On the other hand we should let the developers decide what they see fit to implement in the game. I'm merely making suggestions here.

have a nice day

no need for being a passive agressive d wad, i used all caps simply because i know it would get your attention, and it worked.

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On 11/9/2017 at 1:11 PM, Carl_Wheezer said:

N-O THIS ISNT CALIFORNIA WHERE EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL AND NO ONE HAS MONEY THIS IS A WARZONE FILLED WITH FULLY EQUIPPED PMCS AND THERE GEAR IS EVERYWHERE.

First of all, try not to use all caps, thats against forum rules.

Second, I think it's a wonderful idea. EFT is NOT a warzone anymore, it's an aftermath and PMC's are stranded on a ravaged city. Gear could be rare on release and the exact reason why we even have a bartering system to begin with, so we can make due with what we find/have.

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1 minute ago, Cypherdrene said:

First of all, try not to use all caps, thats against forum rules.

Second, I think it's a wonderful idea. EFT is NOT a warzone anymore, it's an aftermath and PMC's are stranded on a ravaged city. Gear could be rare on release and the exact reason why we even have a bartering system to begin with, so we can make due with what we find/have.

devs didnt seem to mind when i was using the word BETA alone repeatedly as a reply to everyone complaining about how bad this game is.

 

and no, oil filter adapters would not be found commonly enough (if at all) in a situation like the one in tarkov to warrant the devs making models and the works to make this cheesy idea happen.

and no, pmc´s with less money wont be bringing in oil filter adapters because they provide all the disadvantages of a suppressor while at the same time providing less-than manufacturer quality of sound suppression, they will stick to the cheaper standard muzzle devices, especially for pistols so that way they can get a proper sight alignment and be able to use their holster.

as for entirely improvised suppressors made entirely out of improvised parts, i am fine with that. maybe i should have elaborated better earlier, but adapters to attach an oil filter to the gun would not happen. 

 

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Ahoi.

So to further elaborate on the topic of improvised muzzle devices.

34 minutes ago, Carl_Wheezer said:

and no, oil filter adapters would not be found commonly enough (if at all) in a situation like the one in tarkov to warrant the devs making models and the works to make this cheesy idea happen.

and no, pmc´s with less money wont be bringing in oil filter adapters because they provide all the disadvantages of a suppressor while at the same time providing less-than manufacturer quality of sound suppression, they will stick to the cheaper standard muzzle devices, especially for pistols so that way they can get a proper sight alignment and be able to use their holster.

as for entirely improvised suppressors made entirely out of improvised parts, i am fine with that. maybe i should have elaborated better earlier, but adapters to attach an oil filter to the gun would not happen. 

 

the primary part of an oil filter suppressor is found in roughly the same amount as there are cars.

On the topic of 'bringing in the adapters': there would be no need to bring in an adapter that can be manufactured with the most basic machining setup. Since conflict zones tend to produce a lot of very ingenious solutions on how to accomplish tasks with the most basic of supplies I would not think it impossible in any way for people with a basic skillset in milling to produce such adapters.

1 hour ago, Carl_Wheezer said:

no need for being a passive agressive d wad, i used all caps simply because i know it would get your attention, and it worked.

On the note of me being passive agressive towards you: In no way was I disrespectful to you or did call you names.

How would a reply in a linear thread not have gotten my attention even without caps?

If you want people to take you seriously in any way try refining you communication skills.

pro tip: try writing constructive replies and maybe people won't think you're 11.

have a nice day.

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8 hours ago, AsbeelFox said:

Ahoi.

So to further elaborate on the topic of improvised muzzle devices.

the primary part of an oil filter suppressor is found in roughly the same amount as there are cars.

On the topic of 'bringing in the adapters': there would be no need to bring in an adapter that can be manufactured with the most basic machining setup. Since conflict zones tend to produce a lot of very ingenious solutions on how to accomplish tasks with the most basic of supplies I would not think it impossible in any way for people with a basic skillset in milling to produce such adapters.

On the note of me being passive agressive towards you: In no way was I disrespectful to you or did call you names.

How would a reply in a linear thread not have gotten my attention even without caps?

If you want people to take you seriously in any way try refining you communication skills.

pro tip: try writing constructive replies and maybe people won't think you're 11.

have a nice day.

yes, because every pmc and their mother knows how to work the machinery to create an adapter to attach an oil filter for a gun.

 

also

pas·sive-ag·gres·sive

adjective

of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.

 

if telling someone you accidentally tipped an "emotional imbalance" they apparently have based off one thing they said to you on an internet forum isnt passive aggressive, i have cancer.

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The flame is real in this post, almost enough to heat up my popcorn.

 

I like the OP's idea, feels like it would fit in, especially with the scav populace. Not everyone would have access to a suppressor, but there is more than enough junk floating around for someone to come up with something.

Along with his idea, I'd like to propose pipebombs and imporvised-landmines - gotta be an offensive use for all the nuts, bolts and lighters we find :P 

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Ahoi.

to make my final remark towards the unproductive site of this thread

4 hours ago, Carl_Wheezer said:

if telling someone you accidentally tipped an "emotional imbalance" they apparently have based off one thing they said to you on an internet forum isnt passive aggressive, i have cancer.

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

3 hours ago, UlyssesVengeanc said:

I like the OP's idea, feels like it would fit in, especially with the scav populace. Not everyone would have access to a suppressor, but there is more than enough junk floating around for someone to come up with something.

the materials to fabricate the adapters or even other kinds of improvised devices aren't too specialized for them to be hard to come by.

and as I mentioned the set of skills you need to fabricate what is basically a tube with an internal and an external thread are pretty much common knowledge. depending on the equipment you have access to it would take you about half an hour to an hour to manufacture one.

have a nice day

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4 hours ago, Carl_Wheezer said:

if telling someone you accidentally tipped an "emotional imbalance" they apparently have based off one thing they said to you on an internet forum isnt passive aggressive, i have cancer.

Learn to talk to people in a correct mannerly way.

And grow up

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I think that doesn't fit the concept of the game at all. I mean yes, it might just fit into the setting, but this by any means not a Rust or Cataclysm DDA or any other type of game where everything is revolving around crafting. There is so many crafting games around already, I hope developers will not fall into that pit, because it leaves so many speculations up to arise. 

Today you let them tape magazines together and attach crap to your gun - tomorrow they come and ask for improvised body armor because why the hell not, setting allows that. 

No. Just No. This is combat simulator and developers should concentrate on game mechanics revolving around realistic combat, damage, healing and gunplay. We have a lot of other games where we can craft miniguns and tanks from sticks and feces. Let EFT properly fill the niche it already has. This game already have too many genre crossovers, building up more might just ruin it. 

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I think it should be in the game,

Oil filters for example will add a very high amount of weight, lower ergonomics, lower accuracy, and wear out pretty fast. 
You can take this one step further by adding internal part damage for the weapon that uses such improvised suppressor (idk the effects of these WD40 cans used as suppressors on weapons such as the M4A1/M16 family where gas has to return.)

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15 hours ago, AsbeelFox said:

the materials to fabricate the adapters or even other kinds of improvised devices aren't too specialized for them to be hard to come by.

and as I mentioned the set of skills you need to fabricate what is basically a tube with an internal and an external thread are pretty much common knowledge. depending on the equipment you have access to it would take you about half an hour to an hour to manufacture one.

Yup.

Only thing you really need to make that is specialized for suppressors is the baffles, but that can be substituted or replaced(washers evenly spaced and secured or moist towels come to mind).

The barrel part itself can be made out of any pipe with threaded ends, with one endcap having a drilled hole to correspond to the caliber(gotta have the other well fairly deep to make it secure and not blow out the cap itself).

Adapting it to a thread isn't too difficult either, in a pinch superglue and pvc/threaded pipe works.

 

Not difficult at all, anyone who knows the concept could easily fabricate one in 15-30 minutes with available stuff.

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We could even scav the oil filters from the multitude of dead cars. Would give a whole new meaning to the wrench, not just a trade item anymore, need one to pull suppressors out of all the dead Lada's and GAZ's.

Water bottles, WD 40 cans, Im all for it.

Oh, and, certainly agreed that they shouldnt last more than maybe 5 shots depending on construction and gun caliber. 

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