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I don't have a problem with Thermals in general . They need bigger penalties, such as not being able to put them in your gamma. It should also be time sensitive, so it over heats if on too long . Or something like that. If equipped you can't have any secondary scope on that gun. Just a couple ideas to make it harder to use, I really don't like the way thermals can just clear servers so fast and easy at the moment. Anyone else have any ideas to make the thermal play a bit more balanced? 

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sYs

Add more heat sources to the map ;)

That swamp and warm air from it should light up thermals so bad that you couldn't see anything on interchange near swamps.

More heat sources in maps  = harder to uses thermals. 

Its up to devs how to balance it out. So far best balance is rarity and price while staying true to the items in game.

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BaconSniper

@sYs That's a really good idea. Players already have unlimited money so price is not really an issue. 100k is a small price to pay for something  that over powered you can just throw in your gama if you get in trouble. They are not very rare. I have 2 and most people I know have more than I do.

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Paescu96

Simply make them more realistic.

 Backpacks haven't an higher temperature than the Surrounding, a Gun you haven't fired to. Helmets, Ballisticvests, even a Jacket or good Pants are very effective heat isolators. 

Eft wants to be Realistic. Sights that magically Mark the whole Charactermodel, with the same Mechanic CoD uses, shouldn't exist. Sights that only marks the Sources of heat and parts it isn't concealt, have a place in this (try to be)realistic game.

Sry for bad English

 

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vor 32 Minuten schrieb BaconSniper:

@sYs That's a really good idea. Players already have unlimited money so price is not really an issue. 100k is a small price to pay for something  that over powered you can just throw in your gama if you get in trouble. They are not very rare. I have 2 and most people I know have more than I do.

And do you use them? And if no why not if they are such a benefit?

I think it is planned, they will need battery.

In my opinion they are fine at the moment.

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BaconSniper

@Phoenixsui Yes I do use mine for some tasks.  You really think they are fine?? I can see player way in the distance before they ever will see me, I can even use it in day time. You just use it as a scanner if you want and put it away so you never loose it. Is kinda dumb in my opinion.

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Cman1337

Their FPS is low, they also give you lower FPS when looking through, they're not really good in close combat. They are only OP on big Maps like Shoreline or Woods. I agree that they may be limited to a certain distance like in rl.

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ROSHIK

Just look in reality NOT COMBAT thermal. U have NO any chance in reality against it.

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Phoenixsui
vor 49 Minuten schrieb BaconSniper:

@Phoenixsui Yes I do use mine for some tasks.  You really think they are fine?? I can see player way in the distance before they ever will see me, I can even use it in day time. You just use it as a scanner if you want and put it away so you never loose it. Is kinda dumb in my opinion.

Yes i think they are ok. It is what you get for actually invest in gear to up survival rate just like ammo and armor or nightvision or headphones.

They have limited sight range, they are pixelated, they have low fps, stamina emptys fast, expensiv scopes, hard to divide enemy from friend, headshots are not easy, one of them is huge and take away field of view, enemys are sometimes not seen until to late when moving behind hard cover and more.

Enemys should not move in the open to avoid beeing detected.

I agree the helmet was op but scopes are fine.

I have only encountered 1 squad with thermals this wipe and i am lvl 40 so many raids were played. Even bevor wipe noone used them. And we kolled them on shoreline after flanking and searching them for 5 mins. I really don’t know how they didn’t detect us.

I don’t think they need drastical change or they get useless.

edit: the container problem would be solved if the SC would be blocked but the community doesnt want that. BSG currently even allowed to put bitcoins etc into certain containers and even increased amount of high end loot that goes into SC and added even bigger sicc container.

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12 minutes ago, Phoenixsui said:

the container problem would be solved if the SC would be blocked but the community doesnt want that. BSG currently even allowed to put bitcoins etc into certain containers and even increased amount of high end loot that goes into SC and added even bigger sicc container.

Not to totally get the conversation off the rails but I think SC should be a form of quest inventory/safe. If you have a quest markers for that item (the yellow one) you can put it in otherwise it would act as out only safe. So no thermals in raid and once they're out they can't be put back in.

PS. Mission related keys should be also quest marked. To help with progression.

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Bed3viL

If I'm going to be critical about it, they could improve how bodies look in thermals while wearing heavy gear, that alone I feel would balance it out more.   As it is now.  everything is just fine.  They function pretty much how real like thermals operate.  Batteries would make it for sure something people use a bit more sparingly

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BaconSniper

I would be happy if they incorporated batteries and no Gamma.. If you bring it and die you loose it. :)

@Phoenixsui We you don't really need head shots just a high caliber bullet , spam 3 or 4 body shots and most will drop before they even knew what hit them.

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AvIt21

There is nothing wrong with how thermal scopes are right now. You argue that people have infinite money but that really is not the case. I have friends that are still below 1 mill.

If they were really THAT op then every man hand his dog would be cruising with them, but the fact is the cost ( no matter how cheap you think ) is off putting to some people. Imagine slapping one on a baby ak that ak is already 150k more than any other baby ak, so that plays on people's minds. 

I use mine on my EBR which I built and I use them all the time. I play the support role for my group and it works very very well.

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On 11/15/2019 at 12:04 AM, Phoenixsui said:

And do you use them? And if no why not if they are such a benefit?

I think it is planned, they will need battery.

In my opinion they are fine at the moment.

A battery is good.

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ColonelGraff

Well, how about a heat isolating dark poncho??? And to make it realistic, he must remove poncho to take out the bag and loot items (not the searching part), and can be seen through thermals when removing it, otherwise no thermal distinction? Because honestly, starting out in a place like customs, I am having a hard time seeing anything and people be sniping me while walking in covered areas, I cant even make it to my cover and it's like 3 meters away. Squads just mag dump together and u are dead.

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CelineStarglade

I've played 3 night maps so far twice on shoreline once on woods, I can definitely say night maps is something I will never consider doing again despite loving night vision and everything thermals just ruin the experience for me completely.

I hope to god they never add quests that require you to play night maps because I wouldn't touch that mode again not even while using a 10 foot barge pole.

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oestergreen

Thermals are stupid, they also rekt during daytime, it's not even just a nighttime problem.

They're an abysmal addition to tarkov imho and they need either a much higher price tag or some battery-life to prevent being so god damn cost effective as they are now.

>>>> even streamers admit it cmon, watch the vid lol.

 

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K0bretti

We need anti thermal suit.  is in the real life too. ;)  tell nikita.

On 11/17/2019 at 8:10 AM, AvIt21 said:

There is nothing wrong with how thermal scopes are right now. You argue that people have infinite money but that really is not the case. I have friends that are still below 1 mill.

If they were really THAT op then every man hand his dog would be cruising with them, but the fact is the cost ( no matter how cheap you think ) is off putting to some people. Imagine slapping one on a baby ak that ak is already 150k more than any other baby ak, so that plays on people's minds. 

I use mine on my EBR which I built and I use them all the time. I play the support role for my group and it works very very well.

We need anti thermal suit.

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Sinistra_Star

REAP-IR is not even realistic

REAL reap_IR from Trijicon is about 8000 USD and has 2.5x magnification with a 8x digital Zoom

has Laser range finder with Tagging features

and humidity and barometric readouts

the REAP-IR in this game is HEAVILY NERFED for balance AS IT IS

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Trijicon-REAP-IR-35mm-Mini-Thermal-Riflescope-p/irms-35-2.htm

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Features:

640x480 Thermal Sensor: Offers clear, crisp imagery through smoke, dust and complete darkness

Thumbstick System Controller: Fully ruggedized, weatherproof, multidirectional thumbstick control

Mini D-LOC Mount: Patented, compact mounting system for precision and repeatability

MicroIR™ 12 Micron Technology: 60 Hz frame-rate system with 42% increase in magnification over 17 micron technology

Stadiametric Ranging: Determine your distance at a moment’s notice

Reticle Digital Readouts: Displays your current reticle position in the lower-left corner of the screen

Edge Detect Mode: Offers a fraction of the brightness of other modes so your eyes are not as prone to night blindness from the screen

8x Digital Zoom: Advanced built-in sighting system maintains boresight and increases accuracy

Made in the USA: Built for shooters by shooters right here in America

Specifications:

OPTICAL MAGNIFICATION: 2.5x

DIGITAL MAGNIFICATION: 8x

SENSOR TYPE: Uncooled VOx (Vanadium Oxide)

THERMAL SENSITIVITY: <50mk

SENSOR RESOLUTION: 640x480

SENSOR PITCH: 12 Micron

FRAME RATE: 60 Hz with a 30 Hz Power Save Mode

SPECTRAL RESPONSE: 8 - 12 Microns

DISPLAY TYPE: Digital OLED

DISPLAY RESOLUTION: 640x480 Pixels

BASIC FEATURES: E-Zoom, Polarity

ADVANCED FEATURES

DCE – Digital Contrast Enhancement

DFC – Digital Focus Control

RANGE FINDER – Stadiametric

START UP TIME: Approx. 5 Seconds

VIDEO OUTPUT: Analog RS-170 (with Optional Cable)

BATTERY TYPE: 2x CR123

BATTERY LIFE:

1 - 1.5 Hours @ 60 Hz

1 - 2 Hours @ 30 Hz

2 - 3.5 Hours @ 60 Hz

2 - 5 Hours @ 30 Hz

 

WEAPON MOUNT: Mini D-LOC Picatinny Rail Mount

RETICLE: Simple and Complex Reticles

MOA Adjustments:

Digital Read-Outs

4 Save Locations

 

WEIGHT: 590 grams

DIMENSIONS: 6.5” L x 3.0” H x 2.95” W

DIOPTER: -6 / +2

EYE RELIEF: 27mm

ENVIRONMENTAL:

-40c to +55c Operating

-45c to +75c Storage

 

Includes:

REAP-IR Thermal Sight
Mini D-LOC Mount
Eyeguard
Tactical Soft Case
Lens Cap
Operator's Manual / Quick Reference Guide
Batteries

REAP IR is balanced AS FUCKKKKK

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Zybane

IMO thermal scopes should adjust the aim steadiness when used. Say they are so heavy that unless prone, weapon sway even while holding breath is much less accurate. IE: if you have a thermal on the weapon sway with hold breath is about as bad as a "regular" scope while non hold-breath. 

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On 3/15/2020 at 12:39 AM, Zybane said:

IMO thermal scopes should adjust the aim steadiness when used. Say they are so heavy that unless prone, weapon sway even while holding breath is much less accurate. IE: if you have a thermal on the weapon sway with hold breath is about as bad as a "regular" scope while non hold-breath. 

UM NO IT IS  TINY OPTIC

""""MINI"""" IS IN THE PRODUCT MODEL NAME "Trijicon-REAP-IR-35mm-Mini-Thermal-Riflescope"

Reap-IR is only 1.3 pounds (590) grams IN REAL LIFE

would make ZERO sense to make them any heavier

WEIGHT: 590 grams

DIMENSIONS: 6.5” L x 3.0” H x 2.95” W

DIOPTER: -6 / +2

EYE RELIEF: 27mm

ENVIRONMENTAL:

-40c to +55c Operating

-45c to +75c Storage

 

 

 

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keyciraptor

*sigh* always those thermal cryings.

all i did read:

1 Not beeing able to put it in the gamma

2 Costs only 100k

3 Every player has enough money to buy  it easy

4 Super mega op

 

ok, op, but... BUT WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT USING IT THEN ALSO? its cheap, it can be stored in gamma, we are anyways all rich and its ultra op.

 

Lemme guess why. First of all, you cant put it in your gamma. Second, it costs about 200k. Third, its pretty expensive if you gonna lose it anways in every raid and also its not that ultra op, if you relie full on it, you will miss much more.

 

I think they are totally fine like they are, some balance updates need to be done. Battery is comming, thats already a very good idea. Some heat maps on the maps would be also a very very good idea (the swamps in shoreline or the machines staying around and producing heat should also give heat). Also some adjustments on them, its pretty weird when your open face gives the same amount of visibility like your head with helmet, your covered arms and even your backpack. But those are optimizing stuff, it will come

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On 3/18/2020 at 7:51 AM, keyciraptor said:

*sigh* always those thermal cryings.

all i did read:

1 Not beeing able to put it in the gamma

2 Costs only 100k

3 Every player has enough money to buy  it easy

4 Super mega op

 

ok, op, but... BUT WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT USING IT THEN ALSO? its cheap, it can be stored in gamma, we are anyways all rich and its ultra op.

 

Lemme guess why. First of all, you cant put it in your gamma. Second, it costs about 200k. Third, its pretty expensive if you gonna lose it anways in every raid and also its not that ultra op, if you relie full on it, you will miss much more.

 

I think they are totally fine like they are, some balance updates need to be done. Battery is comming, thats already a very good idea. Some heat maps on the maps would be also a very very good idea (the swamps in shoreline or the machines staying around and producing heat should also give heat). Also some adjustments on them, its pretty weird when your open face gives the same amount of visibility like your head with helmet, your covered arms and even your backpack. But those are optimizing stuff, it will come

yes you can

by placing it on any 2-4-6inch rail you can then put it in your Gamma Like EVERY other item that cant but can go on an Accessory rail

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keyciraptor
vor 30 Minuten schrieb Sinistra_Star:

yes you can

by placing it on any 2-4-6inch rail you can then put it in your Gamma Like EVERY other item that cant but can go on an Accessory rail

OK, in this case NOTHING holds you up to stock buying it and playing 24/7 with it, problem solved my comrade

btw, there is also a quest in which you have to play with a thermal and get yourself some kills.

 

so, you better make out your peace with that piece of shidd thermals^^

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