Fixing the MP5 dimensions.

[Fraylem 12]

The MP5's in EFT are in the wrong scale.

In direkt comparison the MP5SD is shorter than an AKS-74U.
But it should be the other way around, in reality the MP5SD is around 790mm and the AKS-74U 735mm.
Would be nice if this would be fixed. Right now it looks like a BB-Gun mockup.

Cheers

[Majlo 411]

It's been like this since the MP5's introduction. Hope the developers will look into this.

[Sawydz 2]

Are you sure? MP5SD has adjustable buttstock, so according to Heckler and Koch the length may be 660mm to 800mm. 

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/submachine-guns/mp5/mp5sd/technical-data.html

Edited August 30, 2020 by Sawydz

[Fraylem 12]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Sawydz:

Are you sure? MP5SD has adjustable buttstock, so according to Heckler and Koch the length may be 660mm to 800mm. 

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/submachine-guns/mp5/mp5sd/technical-data.html

Or around that.
But still, its way to small. ^^

[Majlo 411]

13 hours ago, Sawydz said:

Are you sure? MP5SD has adjustable buttstock, so according to Heckler and Koch the length may be 660mm to 800mm. 

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/submachine-guns/mp5/mp5sd/technical-data.html

In game said butt stock is fully extended, so that would make it 800 mm.

[Spectator6 911]

Hi @Fraylem! Great post!

On 12/22/2019 at 8:03 AM, Fraylem said:

Right now it looks like a BB-Gun mockup.

Not to bash BSG, but given how hard I imagine it would be for them get hold of an actual live fire MP5, the model ingame may very well be based on some sort of BB-gun mockup/replica model.

[Spectator6 911]

Here's a quick mock-up that might be helpful

Note: This is obv NOT with the SD but the "bulk" of them is comparable

 

Edited February 19 by Spectator6

[ACuddlyBadger 314]

NCStar P4 scope suffers from being comically oversized, hence why nobody uses it. 

[Spectator6 911]

Here's another mock-up. I scaled the EFT image to match the size of the magazine in the real-life images.

What's interesting here is that, according to these references, it *DOES* seem adequately proportioned.

Some thoughts on why it looks a little small:

• The way the stock clips into the player model "hides" a good portion of the gun
• The player model stands much more upright than we're used to seeing. Perhaps this lack of "tucking" behind the gun may also lead the weapon to seem a bit smaller by comparison?

Edited February 20 by Spectator6
oops, forgot to add the image

[Fraylem 12]

Am 20.2.2021 um 18:36 schrieb Spectator6:

Some thoughts on why it looks a little small:

• The way the stock clips into the player model "hides" a good portion of the gun
• The player model stands much more upright than we're used to seeing. Perhaps this lack of "tucking" behind the gun may also lead the weapon to seem a bit smaller by comparison?

Awesome work! Nice to get some feedback

But i still think that it is too small.

If i compare it with other weapons... either all the other weapons are in wrong scale or the MP5 is the only correct one.

I compared it with a pic of Garand Thumb and the Tarkov version is tiny.

Cheers

 

Edited February 28 by Fraylem

[Spectator6 911]

4 hours ago, Fraylem said:

Awesome work! Nice to get some feedback

But i still think that it is too small.

If i compare it with other weapons... either all the other weapons are in wrong scale or the MP5 is the only correct one.

I compared it with a pic of Garand Thumb and the Tarkov version is tiny.

Cheers

 

Yeah that's a great comparison for reference! It does look small there. It looks a lot more "beefy" in the RL photo, especially the size of the supressor.

And if we compare things like the trigger guard, control group, and retractable stock there definitely seems to be things "wrong" with the model.

Which, again, makes me think they may have been using a replica of sorts. IIRC, Nikita even mentioned in one of the TarkovTV or written interviews (can't recall which) that some of the weapons are based on BB-gun or airsoft models since that's all they could get in the studio.

Which is a huge bummer considering the weapon modeling team's penchant for perfectionism!

Edited February 28 by Spectator6

[beddamischia 156]

5 hours ago, Fraylem said:

Awesome work! Nice to get some feedback

But i still think that it is too small.

If i compare it with other weapons... either all the other weapons are in wrong scale or the MP5 is the only correct one.

I compared it with a pic of Garand Thumb and the Tarkov version is tiny.

Cheers

 

Great comparison but the guy in the picture may simply be shorter than in game model..

[Spectator6 911]

1 hour ago, beddamischia said:

Great comparison but the guy in the picture may simply be shorter than in game model..

Yeah, it's possible!

Which is why it may be better to standardize the sizes to the magazine and magwell. Red is the IRL, Aqua is EFT. 

If we assume the same body size between the two and imagine the aqua guy assuming the same sort of stance (head lowered, shoulder up, etc) it does seem to be mis-sized. Especially if you "shrink" the aqua guy's torso to match. But to your point, that's assuming the guys are the same size.

IMO, given the above, it's more plausible that BSG was working with a different model. Because IMO it's highly unlikely, with how diligent these guys are in double and triple checking their assets, that something like a 30% size reduction was not caught. 

With the above markups along with clear and obvious things that don't match up (control group and trigger guard being the most obvious, as shown below), I suspect they simply were not working with a real live fire MP5SD as a prop.

 

Edited February 28 by Spectator6
clarify

[Fraylem 12]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Spectator6:

Yeah, it's possible!

Which is why it may be better to standardize the sizes to the magazine and magwell. Red is the IRL, Aqua is EFT. 

If we assume the same body size between the two and imagine the aqua guy assuming the same sort of stance (head lowered, shoulder up, etc) it does seem to be mis-sized. Especially if you "shrink" the aqua guy's torso to match. But to your point, that's assuming the guys are the same size.

IMO, given the above, it's more plausible that BSG was working with a different model. Because IMO it's highly unlikely, with how diligent these guys are in double and triple checking their assets, that something like a 30% size reduction was not caught. 

With the above markups along with clear and obvious things that don't match up (control group and trigger guard being the most obvious, as shown below), I suspect they simply were not working with a real live fire MP5SD as a prop.

 

 

Jup, too bad.

It sucks when you have such a dedicated development team but can't get them the real weapons as models.

I wonder how much of an effort it would be to fix this?
If they would scale the model up to the right size, they also would have to fit the animations to the scaled model.
Plus all the attachments have to be scaled too.