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Buff RSASS & SR25?

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RSASS & SR25 have much worse ego & recoil when compared to a M1A SASS with same mods applied. They should have better performance over the M1A in reality but somehow the M1A is outperforming them and it comes with a lower pricetag. The price of them isn't a problem but their stats need to be buffed, they are under-performing right now.

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s00pcan

Need drum mags for these.

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GeneralBrus

7.62 x 51 needs a buff anyways, m995 is just as good but much lower recoil, i think 7.62 needs to deal more dmg.

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Euvale
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5 hours ago, GeneralBrus said:

7.62 x 51 needs a buff anyways, m995 is just as good but much lower recoil, i think 7.62 needs to deal more dmg.

M80 deals OHK(80) on chest through class 1-3 armor, M61 deals a reasonable amount(70) considering that it's penetrating all classes of armor, and finally M62 dumps 1 less damage(79) than M80, all while penetrating class 6 with some trouble AND being a tracer round.

Not counting the hunting cartridges, the rounds are pretty solid right now in terms of balance.

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GeneralBrus
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vor 1 Stunde schrieb Euvale:

M80 deals OHK(80) on chest through class 1-3 armor, M61 deals a reasonable amount(70) considering that it's penetrating all classes of armor, and finally M62 dumps 1 less damage(79) than M80, all while penetrating class 6 with some trouble AND being a tracer round.

Not counting the hunting cartridges, the rounds are pretty solid right now in terms of balance.

besides m80 oneshoting hatchlings, m995 2-3 hitkills armored targets, so there is no real difference between m61 m62 and m995 besides recoil and firerate. tracer doesnt count, no 1 cares about that anyways, if anything ppl are not using tracer rounds because it gives away your position.

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Euvale
18 hours ago, GeneralBrus said:

besides m80 oneshoting hatchlings, m995 2-3 hitkills armored targets, so there is no real difference between m61 m62 and m995 besides recoil and firerate. tracer doesnt count, no 1 cares about that anyways, if anything ppl are not using tracer rounds because it gives away your position.

The reason I said tracer is because it's a negative that's balanced with the increased damage that M62 offers compared to M61, but only until Class 6 armor, which M62 has less pen against than M61.

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On 4/4/2020 at 2:21 AM, GeneralBrus said:

besides m80 oneshoting hatchlings, m995 2-3 hitkills armored targets, so there is no real difference between m61 m62 and m995 besides recoil and firerate. tracer doesnt count, no 1 cares about that anyways, if anything ppl are not using tracer rounds because it gives away your position.

There is actually a HUGE difference in performance between these two rounds, not considering the recoil and firerate of the weapons firing them:
M995: 41 flesh damage, 53 armor pen, 58 armor damage, 32% fragmentation chance
M61: 70 flesh damage, 68 armor pen, 83 armor damage, 13% fragmentation chance
Looking only at the statistics of the round, M61 is SIGNIFICANTLY better than M995.
There are practical implications of this, such as M995 taking on average a few shots to penetrate class 6 armor where M61 almost always penetrates on the first shot.

Of course, if we want to bring recoil into the discussion, that complicates things, but there is a world of difference between M61 and M995.

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LasseNielsen

The issue isn't that M995 statwise is better or worse then M61.

It's that you need to hit 80 damage on torso. Both rounds needs atleast 2 hits on torso to do so.

M995 is becourse of much less recoil a lot easier then M61 to land 2 hits on the torso and faster.

So the M995 is roughly just as good as killing as the M61. Except on level 6 armour. Which would only require a few more hits from M995 then M61.
Both rounds should go through most faceshields anyway, and both do enough damage to kill.
So even if the stats aren't close at all. They still match closely on what counts.

It's kinda the same with Igolnik and BS 5,45 rounds. The Igolnik needs 3 rounds on torso while the BS only needs 2. But if the armour takes 1 point of damage of the BS round, then you still need 3. But it still might fragment. There are pro's and con's for everything. it mainly depends on your playstyle. 


What i hope in the future, is that armour plate system will be semi realistic. Most armour plates can tank a lot of 5,56 rounds even AP, a lot actually. Except maybe ceramic. If a steel plate is rated to defeat AP 5,56 then it would barely take damage from them.

But a 7,62x51 AP round could go right through that same plate, that 30 ap 5,56 rounds couldn't.

So your choice in the future will be. Do i want low recoil 5,56 that can't defeat heavy plates but shreds lower class armours.
Or a large gun with a heavy ap round that could punch through a lot of stuff.

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GeneralBrus
vor 7 Stunden schrieb LasseNielsen:

The issue isn't that M995 statwise is better or worse then M61.

It's that you need to hit 80 damage on torso. Both rounds needs atleast 2 hits on torso to do so.

M995 is becourse of much less recoil a lot easier then M61 to land 2 hits on the torso and faster.

So the M995 is roughly just as good as killing as the M61. Except on level 6 armour. Which would only require a few more hits from M995 then M61.
Both rounds should go through most faceshields anyway, and both do enough damage to kill.
So even if the stats aren't close at all. They still match closely on what counts.

It's kinda the same with Igolnik and BS 5,45 rounds. The Igolnik needs 3 rounds on torso while the BS only needs 2. But if the armour takes 1 point of damage of the BS round, then you still need 3. But it still might fragment. There are pro's and con's for everything. it mainly depends on your playstyle. 


What i hope in the future, is that armour plate system will be semi realistic. Most armour plates can tank a lot of 5,56 rounds even AP, a lot actually. Except maybe ceramic. If a steel plate is rated to defeat AP 5,56 then it would barely take damage from them.

But a 7,62x51 AP round could go right through that same plate, that 30 ap 5,56 rounds couldn't.

So your choice in the future will be. Do i want low recoil 5,56 that can't defeat heavy plates but shreds lower class armours.
Or a large gun with a heavy ap round that could punch through a lot of stuff.

Soo true, in the end ppl think way too much about bullet stats, while hits to kill is what matters. Igoknik and BS are the same round,  except igolnik is worse at killing hatchlings. 

Ppl love m80 because all the streamers keep yelling how great it is, even though lvl3 wests prevent from getting one hit killed.

And to get back to the topic, 308 is atm just a cheap alternative to m995, because m62 costs only 4 dollars, 20 rounders suck ass though. Maybe even 25 round mags would fix this, or 30 rounders. Or how about a health system that lets you die when hit by deadly bullets? Then we wouldn't need to spray 60 rounds into some god terminators aka pmc's.

 

 

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LasseNielsen

Issue is that .308 just put people down. In tarkov not so much.

In the army, going from .308 to 5,56 the worry of many, was wounding over killing, shooting someone in the chest running inside a building, with a 5,56 you can't be sure he is incapacitated or still able to shoot you when you go in after him.

Shooting someone with a .308 in the chest. He isn't a threat anymore.

I know a guy, who was a real "PMC" in Iraq and Afg. Seen some pretty messed up stuff.

Talking about his past and what guns he used, I never forget what he casual said to me: I shoot a guy in the elbow and his arm came off. 

That was with a .45 pistol, now think about how messed up you get taking a rifle round like the .308 to the chest.

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