I'm really sad about this game

April 28, 2020

Good night everyone, today I watched a video explaining some news of the new update and to my surprise Nikita said he would nerf the VSS ammunition, honestly he will end the game, instead of nerfing the ammunition of the weapons , why Nikita, you don’t make the game more realistic by making the ammunition do more damage, the game is getting more and more arcade with each update, this is very sad, a game that has infinite potential, it’s just horrible to play , this game should be aimed at simulation, because under simulation conditions it would be perfect. Nikita, make this game as real as possible in matters of ammo damage and not more and more arcade, which is what is happening, please think about it.

April 28, 2020

I honestly don't know what the fuzz is about. I like the nerf. Almost everybody plays with the VSS or AS-VAL, because it has such a short TTK. Nerfing the ammo would give players who don't have acces to the gun yet a bit more breathing space and allows other weaponry to face off better against it. The TTK in this game is in general already very, very short. When it comes to realism in FPS games, this game gets the closest and that's why I hate and love the game at thesame time. The moments you win a gunfight are rewarding and ecstathic, the moment you lose one is punishing. They are aiming for that. Rewarding and punishing.

Aside from that, the nerf isn't even that big. So yet again: I don't see what the problem is.

April 28, 2020

Everyone and their mother is runing VSS/AS VAL and that is not fun, but Nikita said it won't be a big nerf since getting your hands on AS VALL/VSS and ammo for it after 12.6 will not be as easy as it is now (found in raid flea marked only) so they will tweak it but not much as I understud.

Realism is a nice thing but not always a fun thing, after all it's still a game and too much realism is not fun most of the time, also balance needs to be a thing soo...

All and all I am loving the 12.5 so far and looking forward to 12.6. Well done BSG

April 28, 2020

7 hours ago, Cytronela said:

I'm really sad about this game

Good night everyone, today I watched a video explaining some news of the new update and to my surprise Nikita said he would nerf the VSS ammunition, honestly he will end the game, instead of nerfing the ammunition of the weapons , why Nikita, you don’t make the game more realistic by making the ammunition do more damage, the game is getting more and more arcade with each update, this is very sad, a game that has infinite potential, it’s just horrible to play , this game should be aimed at simulation, because under simulation conditions it would be perfect. Nikita, make this game as real as possible in matters of ammo damage and not more and more arcade, which is what is happening, please think about it.

So you're saying a nerf to the VSS/VAL ammo will end the game? That literally makes no sense.

You probably don't know but the last wipe the meta was to run a fully modded HK, because of the good stats of the weapon itself and how good the M995 ammo was. This wipe? Not so much and why? M995 just costs way too much. The devs are just trying to change the meta, that is in no way breaking the game, there's so many weapons to use... For example SA-58 is still viable with M80's and will get the job done and not exactly that expensive, the ammo at the very least.

Everyone is running VAL's/VSS because of the cost/efficiency. Let's change things a little bit, shall we?

April 28, 2020

27 minutes ago, Sleepyyy said:

So you're saying a nerf to the VSS/VAL ammo will end the game? That literally makes no sense.

You probably don't know but the last wipe the meta was to run a fully modded HK, because of the good stats of the weapon itself and how good the M995 ammo was. This wipe? Not so much and why? M995 just costs way too much. The devs are just trying to change the meta, that is in no way breaking the game, there's so many weapons to use... For example SA-58 is still viable with M80's and will get the job done and not exactly that expensive, the ammo at the very least.

Everyone is running VAL's/VSS because of the cost/efficiency. Let's change things a little bit, shall we?

How about instead of nerfing a gun's realism because everyone is using it, introducing other weapons at a higher rate than they are currently? As it stands SCAVs predominantly spawn with a TOZ or Shotgun, or AK Carbine variant (at least in my experience) . Or you go on a constant mosin spawn cycle. Occasionally you will get a nicer loadout, but predominantly that. In the game, you either PvP or scavenge and what with the large number of PMCs running pistol or hatchling in a large number of raids, that leaves the loot crates and other Scavs for other weapons. Yeah you can go boss or raider hunting, but again for me the most common weapon on a scav on say Reserve is the VAL. Very very rarely do I see a M4A1 or HK.

So instead of nerfing the ammo, try to somehow increase the variation of say raiders loot, or increase the Scavs chance for a better kit. If we can introduce more guns than just the VAL or VSS, perhaps people will pick it up as an option to it without breaking the realism or simulation part of the game.

April 28, 2020

9 minutes ago, Delicious_Tea said:

How about instead of nerfing a gun's realism because everyone is using it, introducing other weapons at a higher rate than they are currently? As it stands SCAVs predominantly spawn with a TOZ or Shotgun, or AK Carbine variant (at least in my experience) . Or you go on a constant mosin spawn cycle. Occasionally you will get a nicer loadout, but predominantly that. In the game, you either PvP or scavenge and what with the large number of PMCs running pistol or hatchling in a large number of raids, that leaves the loot crates and other Scavs for other weapons. Yeah you can go boss or raider hunting, but again for me the most common weapon on a scav on say Reserve is the VAL. Very very rarely do I see a M4A1 or HK.

So instead of nerfing the ammo, try to somehow increase the variation of say raiders loot, or increase the Scavs chance for a better kit. If we can introduce more guns than just the VAL or VSS, perhaps people will pick it up as an option to it without breaking the realism or simulation part of the game.

Adding guns into the game takes time, you can't simply google a gun, post it on forums and expect it added the day after. The devs need to work on it, polish it, try it, etc. How many games do you own that the devs are constantly adding new weapons? Not that many I suppose. That's why its good to change the metas every now and then, people who have been around this game for more than 2 wipes, or 3 wipes know that every wipe there's usually a different weapon/ammo that outclasses the others. This is not a particular order, but there was the era of the M4, M1A, MP7, HK, and now is the era of the SVD/VAL/SA-58 (all these guns are still good and viable, but the ammo of some of them are too expensive).

I also don't understand your last sentence of your first paragraph. Regular scavs don't spawn with M4A1's or HK, raiders do. But scavs can spawn with VSS's very rarely (Only scav players though? I haven't seen a regular AI with a VSS I don't think).

Are you complaining that pmcs don't use good kits? That's an entirely other discussion and honestly just up to them to choose what they want to bring into a raid or not.

April 28, 2020

12 minutes ago, Delicious_Tea said:

How about instead of nerfing a gun's realism because everyone is using it, introducing other weapons at a higher rate than they are currently? As it stands SCAVs predominantly spawn with a TOZ or Shotgun, or AK Carbine variant (at least in my experience) . Or you go on a constant mosin spawn cycle. Occasionally you will get a nicer loadout, but predominantly that. In the game, you either PvP or scavenge and what with the large number of PMCs running pistol or hatchling in a large number of raids, that leaves the loot crates and other Scavs for other weapons. Yeah you can go boss or raider hunting, but again for me the most common weapon on a scav on say Reserve is the VAL. Very very rarely do I see a M4A1 or HK.

So instead of nerfing the ammo, try to somehow increase the variation of say raiders loot, or increase the Scavs chance for a better kit. If we can introduce more guns than just the VAL or VSS, perhaps people will pick it up as an option to it without breaking the realism or simulation part of the game.

I definitely think scavs should spawn with decent backpacks. Their whole purpose is to find stuff and youre telling me some of these guys bring a vest that can carry 6 things at most and not a backpack.

April 28, 2020

9 hours ago, Cytronela said:

I'm really sad about this game

Good night everyone, today I watched a video explaining some news of the new update and to my surprise Nikita said he would nerf the VSS ammunition, honestly he will end the game, instead of nerfing the ammunition of the weapons , why Nikita, you don’t make the game more realistic by making the ammunition do more damage, the game is getting more and more arcade with each update, this is very sad, a game that has infinite potential, it’s just horrible to play , this game should be aimed at simulation, because under simulation conditions it would be perfect. Nikita, make this game as real as possible in matters of ammo damage and not more and more arcade, which is what is happening, please think about it.

maybe try another gun there are more guns in the game than the VSS/AS VAL just try something different and you think this will end the game oh please people love this game no matter what yes some people complain a lot but who dont this game is one of the best games i own and i am proud to own it this is the one game i own that keeps me coming back and playing it i love

8.1k · April 28, 2020

9 hours ago, Cytronela said:

I'm really sad about this game

Good night everyone, today I watched a video explaining some news of the new update and to my surprise Nikita said he would nerf the VSS ammunition, honestly he will end the game, instead of nerfing the ammunition of the weapons , why Nikita, you don’t make the game more realistic by making the ammunition do more damage, the game is getting more and more arcade with each update, this is very sad, a game that has infinite potential, it’s just horrible to play , this game should be aimed at simulation, because under simulation conditions it would be perfect. Nikita, make this game as real as possible in matters of ammo damage and not more and more arcade, which is what is happening, please think about it.

In the same phrase he said that 9x19 and .366 will be buffed. Also i suggest you to read why, when and how asval and vss are used irl, and its ammo caractheristics.

April 28, 2020

41 minutes ago, Sleepyyy said:

Adding guns into the game takes time, you can't simply google a gun, post it on forums and expect it added the day after. The devs need to work on it, polish it, try it, etc. How many games do you own that the devs are constantly adding new weapons? Not that many I suppose. That's why its good to change the metas every now and then, people who have been around this game for more than 2 wipes, or 3 wipes know that every wipe there's usually a different weapon/ammo that outclasses the others. This is not a particular order, but there was the era of the M4, M1A, MP7, HK, and now is the era of the SVD/VAL/SA-58 (all these guns are still good and viable, but the ammo of some of them are too expensive).

I also don't understand your last sentence of your first paragraph. Regular scavs don't spawn with M4A1's or HK, raiders do. But scavs can spawn with VSS's very rarely (Only scav players though? I haven't seen a regular AI with a VSS I don't think).

Are you complaining that pmcs don't use good kits? That's an entirely other discussion and honestly just up to them to choose what they want to bring into a raid or not

What I meant wasn't regular scavs, I was referring to scav raiders having a VAL predominantly... rarely do I see a M4A1 or HK. Sometimes the MP5.

Also, I wasn't suggesting brand new guns be added, I was suggesting that the current ratio of guns generated on a map whether in loot crates or on scav raiders or even scavs themselves be adjusted more to make other guns more interesting or popular.

And yes I was also saying that a lot of PMCs are not running a variation of kits with the hatchlings or pistol runners being the largest gripe. Yes, anyone can run whatever kit they want, but a better question to that other topic is why do they do that? At some point running a more geared kit became less profitable to them either because of hackers, lack of good loot for the risk/reward, whatever.

Having PMCs without a high variation of gear or even namely gear itself with a rather constant stream of the same ratio of weapons will of course make certain weapons/kits the meta or more popular. As such, killing a large number of PMCs nets you next to nil and the regular scavs as well. On maps outside of Labs you can gamble for getting good loot out of crates, or maybe chancing against the raiders/boss. But again, the gear you're going to get is what the game predominantly gives you. You have a higher chance of getting good loot from bosses/raiders than crates typically and if most raiders are seemingly carrying Val/VSS or maybe MP5 then those guns are going to predominantly show.

What I was recommending was increasing the variation for raiders so that maybe they show up more with a HK, M4A1, or heck even AR15. Increasing that variation and the odds for something that's not just an AK carbine in a loot box will help to change the number of people turning to just one gun without the need for nerfing an otherwise good gun that should be one of many options.

Edited April 28, 2020 by Delicious_Tea

April 28, 2020

What I mean is that this game deserves more realism in terms of ammunition damage, for example, a shotgun shot less than 10 meters away should kill an enemy without a vest or a 7.62 shot in the chest to kill the enemy stanza, that I call it realism. And VSS and AS-VAL, was an example of a nerf, because sometimes we shoot 30 shots to kill an enemy, this is extremely arcade and this is what I find very bad in this game.