Lethal damage thorax

[Klinex_TV]

Hello, I come to know what you think of the lethal damage to the thorax, I die all the time by a single bullet in the torax in spite of a vest t5. it is very frustrating to die from a single torax bullet even when being full life, a bullet in the head ok but in the torax ..

I don't know if other people are of the same opinion? I

would really like the torax to be non-lethal, already than playing long distance and safer if in addition a single torax ball is enough.

[Thormato]

You can guess three times wheremost of your vital organs are

[Klinex_TV]

 

I'm talking about the mechanics of a video game, we're not going to make the list "realistic, not realistic, in game, in real life"

if you can avoid the off topic, thank you.

[Vindsvept]

Bullet types have a penetration chance. The higher the tier of vest means the certain bullet type has less chance of penetration and will be caught by your armor instead.

There are multiple charts online that explain to you in detail what bullet does what and best used for.

[IllegalSnow]

33 minutes ago, Klinex_TV said:

 

I'm talking about the mechanics of a video game, we're not going to make the list "realistic, not realistic, in game, in real life"

if you can avoid the off topic, thank you.

Hey there Klinex, the thorax is a lethal place. EFT is based off of realism as much as it can be so this entails that getting hit in the heart, lungs (if not treated properly), major arteries in the thorax area, and more would indeed kill you (or at least put you out of the fight). To die one shot through the thorax despite T5 armor takes a very expensive round and many people are running this round because it's late wipe. But again, it's extremely expensive and someone has to actually make that shot count and hit you in the thorax or head. If the thorax was not lethal, it would make many types of ammo and weapons have issues and they would not get used as much, it would just lead to a bit of a disaster.

Best of luck.  

[Klinex_TV]

 

I repeat for you, apparently you read badly.

I'm talking about dying in 1 bullet with a t5, which concerns 8 ammunition minimum and which for certain are really inexpensive less than 200 rubles.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Klinex_TV

[chrisragnar]

58 minutes ago, TheWhistler said:

Hey there Klinex, the thorax is a lethal place. EFT is based off of realism as much as it can be so this entails that getting hit in the heart, lungs (if not treated properly), major arteries in the thorax area, and more would indeed kill you (or at least put you out of the fight). To die one shot through the thorax despite T5 armor takes a very expensive round and many people are running this round because it's late wipe. But again, it's extremely expensive and someone has to actually make that shot count and hit you in the thorax or head. If the thorax was not lethal, it would make many types of ammo and weapons have issues and they would not get used as much, it would just lead to a bit of a disaster.

Best of luck.  

By that logic you should not be able to aim of walk at all with black out and fractured limbs and pain killers should take 20-40 min to start working.. Let's make a good game, and not worry so much about how realistic it is.

That said I already find it's almost Impossible to kill someone unless it's a headshot. Almost every time I get the drop on someone and decide to just go full auto center mass and not headshot I basically just black everything out on them and then they kill me with s headshot or granade spam. So I don't think thorax should be non leathal also..

Edited May 12, 2020 by chrisragnar

[IllegalSnow]

15 minutes ago, chrisragnar said:

By that logic you should not be able to aim of walk at all with black our limbs and pain killers should take 20-40 min to start working..

That said I already find it's almost Impossible to kill someone unless it's a headshot. Almost every time I get the drop on someone and decide to just go full auto center mass and not headshot I basically just black everything out on them and then they kill me with s headshot or granade spam. So I don't think thorax should be non leathal also..

This is true, but that's not what this topic is about. I do agree that things need to be done about the game in that regard but, I guess that's a whole different conversation.(but also those are different levels of realism. Getting shot in the thorax and dying is minimal realism (it can happen in almost all FPS games) while the med system is much more complicated and they need to decide how realistic they want to take it (which it is going to get way more complicated in future updates). 

22 minutes ago, Klinex_TV said:

 

I repeat for you, apparently you read badly.

I'm talking about dying in 1 bullet with a t5, which concerns 8 ammunition minimum and which for certain are really inexpensive less than 200 rubles.

No need to get hostile, I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about. There are only a few ammunitions that are fairly cheap and can go through that armor (like SP-6 which is not one shot anyway but that is getting nerfed) most other ammunitions that can kill you in one shot through T5 armor are not cheap at all (M61/M62, 7N1 (a little less), ect). Unless by T5 you mean something completely different than I am thinking. In case you would like to look in on it for yourself:

 https://escapefromtarkov.gamepedia.com/Ballistics 

https://escapefromtarkov.gamepedia.com/Health_system

Edited May 12, 2020 by TheWhistler

[chrisragnar]

23 minutes ago, TheWhistler said:

This is true, but that's not what this topic is about. I do agree that things need to be done about the game in that regard but, I guess that's a whole different conversation.(but also those are different levels of realism. Getting shot in the thorax and dying is minimal realism (it can happen in almost all FPS games) while the med system is much more complicated and they need to decide how realistic they want to take it (which it is going to get way more complicated in future updates). 

No need to get hostile, I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about. There are only a few ammunitions that are fairly cheap and can go through that armor (like SP-6 which is not one shot anyway but that is getting nerfed) most other ammunitions that can kill you in one shot through T5 armor are not cheap at all (M61/M62, 7N1 (a little less), ect). Unless by T5 you mean something completely different than I am thinking. In case you would like to look in on it for yourself:

 https://escapefromtarkov.gamepedia.com/Ballistics 

https://escapefromtarkov.gamepedia.com/Health_system

My point was if we want a good game we need to stop defending poor gameplay and mechanics with the "realism" card. The game can still be hardcore and convey a sens of realism. But taking it too far will just create a tidius game with no sens of control. It makes sens in a game like rimworld where we can pause and read what happens to a character in detail. In tarkov, sure we could simulate how a stray shrapnal hit your hand causing you to not be able to fire and then we would just die and we have no clue why.

[IllegalSnow]

2 minutes ago, chrisragnar said:

My point was if we want a good game we need to stop defending poor gameplay and mechanics with the "realism" card. The game can still be hardcore and convey a sens of realism. But taking it too far will just create a tidius game with no sens of control. It makes sens in a game like rimworld where we can pause and read what happens to a character in detail. In tarkov, sure we could simulate how a stray shrapnal hit your hand causing you to not be able to fire and then we would just die and we have no clue why.

I'm not sure dying from a shot to the thorax is a poor gameplay mechanic but I do agree that a game can be too realistic. There needs to be a balance between realism and playability. I think they have found a good balance so far (especially when they balance out painkillers and things of the sort). So, I'm not using solely realism to defend the point. There are things that need changing but most of them already have plans on being changed (like the medical system) we just have to be patient until BSG gets to implement them. It is unfinished after all and they need feedback like this.

[Klinex_TV]

We are in a game that offers protections, the goal of which is to strengthen our pmc does damage, so yes bullets penetrate more than other but what interest to equip if it is to die from a bullet thorax . 

I repeat it too many balls can be expensive can penetrate armor t5 or t6 and spoils the interest of being equipped and that I heard it of the majority of the players.

and it's moreover that pushes more than half of the +30 levels to exit with just a correct weapon and bullets. everyday I kill levels +40 with only a pistol, mosin; ak stock ...  that the shots in the head reward the players yes, but shoot in the torax ... it makes a big lethal zone added with the head.

[Dangle_]

i got one tapped through a fresh zhuk-6a with 9x18 ammo to the thorax, kkkkkkkkk lel