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Gr8WhiteBuffalo
5 hours ago, KhandE said:

There's so many factual errors and flat out nonsense in this post that I seriously question if future weapons happens to be the only place you've ever seen an actual weapon.

Please, enlighten us. :bemaybe:

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Czecher

1st  they must do at least 50 more variants of AKs...............

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KhandE
On 7/27/2018 at 4:50 AM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

Please, enlighten us. :bemaybe:

Gladly!

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

7.62 NATO(7.62x51) is a sniper round,

This right here is the first major error, 7.62x51mm NATO is not a "sniper round" (which is an incredibly loose definition in the first place), it's a round that tries to do everything but is mediocre-half decent at all of them. It was adopted post Korean War as a new standard issue round to replace .30-06 as all but a few loadings of .30-06 weren't loaded to full capacity regardless in military loadings so it was discovered they could just get the same performance out of a shorter case, then the idea of intermediate power ammunition which lead to the concept of SCHV was studied after decades of just missing adoption in many cases and we got the M16 with it's 5.56x45mm round which overall is a much better choice as a standard issue weapon to replace the M14 in front line service for very good reason. honestly, the only reason .308 Winchester and its 7.62x51mm offspring are even used at all in DMRs or "precision" rifles anymore is because ammo for it is plentiful as hell as well as manufacturing base for it. There's a reason actual snipers use things like .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Norma Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum, .375 Cheytac etc etc, It's because these are much better choices for a "sniper round", there's also a reason SOCOM is looking to replace their DMR chamberings with either .260 Remington or 6.5mm Creedmoor which are both smaller but have far superior ballistics, as well as the fact competition shooters go for 6-6.5mm rounds like 6mm XC, 6mm PPC, 6.5x47mm Lapua, all of these stomp 7.62x51mm as a long range round.

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

 

more grains,

Heavier bullets often perform better at longer ranges when compared to other bullet choices in their specific caliber, but as a blanket statement this isn't true at all, by this logic we should have never switched to .30-06 because .45-70 Government in smokeless powder loadings has about the same energy but uses a heavier bullet so it's clearly going to perform better at long range!

...except for the part where it doesn't.

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

 

and will definitely out-penetrate any 22...

This was disproven twice as early as the 30s and again in the 50s when commercial .220 Swift loadings destroyed .30-06 in several material penetration tests, mainly steel and other hard barriers, M855A1 will out penetrate most 7.62x51mm loadings, M995 will destroy any 7.62x51mm short of M993 at any given range, even M193 at certain ranges will penetrate armor plates that M80 ball is specifically rated to stop. it turns out a really fast round with a small surface area will ruin your day. And this isnt even taking into account the fact that like the previously mentioned .220 Swift and the new .224 Valkyrie, there's even stronger .22 caliber cartridges out there than 5.56x45mm.

Physics tells us that a smaller, faster object, will have less resistance to stoppage than a slower, larger object. ;) 

Physics also tells us that doubling the velocity of an object gives it 4 times the energy, and that that a faster object with a smaller surface area will focus it's energy on a much smaller area and therefore the target material will have a much harder time stopping it, ever wonder why MBTs stopped using full bore AP shells and even APDS in favor of long rod APFSDS that perform better when theyre thin as possible without snapping? you get 2 guesses.

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

Its unfortunate that I cant find the video... there was an episode of Future Weapons; years ago when the 416 was still just a concept, where he shot 855A1 ammo(AP) through a 416 and BP ammo(also AP) through an AKM into large wood sheets, simulating walls; and again through 1/2" steel plate. 

1. M855A1 is not AP but ball ammunition designed to address several defects with M855 like the fact it suffers from fleet yaw and therefore fragments unreliably below 50m, the fact it needs to be lead free to cheapen clean up costs when training on NATO ally ranges, have greater accuracy and barrier blind effects etc etc, the fact it also out penetrates 7.62x51mm M80 among other loadings at any range against steel and hardened adobe walls seen in the middle east just tends to be a bonus. M995 is 5.56mm AP. 2. Future Weapons is a show responsible for so many firearms myths and non sense it was rumored the host hated doing the show but was under contact and it paid, he sadly died.

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

The difference is fairly marginal, but the 5.56 certainly outperformed.

M855A1 also penetrates better than all 7.62x51mm loads except M80A1 and M993 and M995 is only beat by M993 against most targets, theres also the part where not all bullet designs are optimal against certain targets, standard M855 will perform better against M193 against high density polyethelyne plates of the same rating as armor grade steel but not the other way around as a very good example, ballistics are fare more complicated than that.

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

At a certain range, they would - in theory - perform identically, as the lighter 5.56 loses inertia faster than the heavier 7.62... but at that range youre likely not going to hit your target without a "big" rifle round. (7.62x51/54 etc.)

Aside from the part that graph is misleading as hell because 7.62x39mm suffers significantly worse drop than 5.56x45 to the point it's effective range is much lower, hitting your target at that range would have nothing to do with having a "big" (funnily enough, as mentioned before, 7.62x51mm is actually a poor precision rifle round that isn't significantly more effective at long range due to drop than 5.56mm) rifle round but the fact most soldiers don't have the training or good enough optics to even engage at ranges past about 300-400m with an automatic rifle regardless of if it's 5.56mm or 7.62x51mm.

On the other hand, SOCOM units who do have the training and gear are recording kills at 700-800m with M4A1s loaded with Mk 262 Mod 1, so much for needing a "big" rifle round

 

On 2/4/2018 at 5:10 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

 

 

Note that this graph shows 223 Remington, which has a bit less chamber pressure than 5.56 NATO. 

Different military loadings can have vastly different PSI ratings, It's not just simply "slighty higher"

I hope this clears things up for you. ;) 

Same for you.

 

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TheWay

I see that this topic was not yet answered, so here it is:

HK416 carabine is confirmed and it will be added to the Escape From Tarkov, but we got no ETA at this moment, please be patient, I am also really looking forward to it! ;)

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Gr8WhiteBuffalo
3 hours ago, KhandE said:

A whole bunch of good stuff. 

Damn! Where were you when me n this kid we're having our penetration debate a few months ago? :begreat:

Are you a service member? You definitely know a ton more about ballistics than anyone I've encountered so far. 

I'm simply an enthusiast, so most of my info comes from Google. I've shot a few guns in my time, but mostly just puttin reloads through paper. 

Never knew that about FW... A real bummer cuz I liked that show. Sad about the dude too... He seemed pretty cool.

Anyways, cheers. And thanks for the good infos. B|

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KhandE
On 7/28/2018 at 12:23 PM, Gr8WhiteBuffalo said:

Damn! Where were you when me n this kid we're having our penetration debate a few months ago? :begreat:

Are you a service member? You definitely know a ton more about ballistics than anyone I've encountered so far. 

I'm simply an enthusiast, so most of my info comes from Google. I've shot a few guns in my time, but mostly just puttin reloads through paper. 

Never knew that about FW... A real bummer cuz I liked that show. Sad about the dude too... He seemed pretty cool.

Anyways, cheers. And thanks for the good infos. B|

I'm more just someone who deeply studies the history of firearms (and other things related to warfighting) and also heavily into ballistics. I'd rather not say what it is I actually do though.

And yeah, while I wasn't a big fan of the show, the host was by all accounts a good guy, shame, brain cancer at only 51, horrible way to go.

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Biscuit-Boy

Hello all! I am wondering what mods the team has planned for the Hk416/17 series rifles? I own a nice replica of the Remington RAHG rail (prototype) and as you may agree, it looks pretty nice on a 10.4 inch barrel HK416 upper (they also make a long version of the RAHG for std carbine barrel). I would love to see this in game, though I don't know if the RAHG is compatible with the 416A5 in real life. If the development team is interested, I would be happy to take more photos and measurements of the rail for reference use.

 

As a side note, compatibility with the 416 upper and M4 lower would be really cool and add a lot of mod possibilities, though I understand on a real rifle it takes some internal modifications.

 

(also I did post this as a suggestion and I apologise if I'm breaking rules)

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oPolishAssassin

I cannot wait for the 417 and the 416. My actual favorite real life guns.  So easy to use and oh so clean 

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Firecontrolman

What I am looking most forward to is to see HOW BSG implements the rifle; do they listen only to fanboy love or do they add the rough edges as well? The 416 is not a world beating rifle, it was always just a better MK18 before people had figured out how to get a DI SBR to work well. The 416 is still arguably the best Silenced, full auto, SBR one can get but that market has slowly been filling up too.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/HK416-woes/126-711922/?page=4

https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/199561-hk416-10-4-overgassing-surefire-socom-556-a.html

Youtube search: <Garand thumb, HK 416> for a, recent, lit review of the rifle by a professional user.

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Lets appreciate the weapon for what it is and what it did and not some legend built on hype or video games. (yes, the irony).

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Keter
On 9/26/2018 at 6:44 PM, Firecontrolman said:

What I am looking most forward to is to see HOW BSG implements the rifle; do they listen only to fanboy love or do they add the rough edges as well? The 416 is not a world beating rifle, it was always just a better MK18 before people had figured out how to get a DI SBR to work well. The 416 is still arguably the best Silenced, full auto, SBR one can get but that market has slowly been filling up too.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/HK416-woes/126-711922/?page=4

https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/199561-hk416-10-4-overgassing-surefire-socom-556-a.html

Youtube search: <Garand thumb, HK 416> for a, recent, lit review of the rifle by a professional user.

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Lets appreciate the weapon for what it is and what it did and not some legend built on hype or video games. (yes, the irony).

To be fair, I would argue that the SCAR 16 with a short barrel would be a better option. However. . .

You do have to take into account the time frames at play here. The 416 came before the MK18 concept was refined to the point it is today. The SCAR, unless I'm mistaken, came after the MK18 was refined to the point it was competitive with the 416. The 416 is pretty old tech at this point, but even still, there's a reason why CAG still uses the 416 as their weapon of choice. Clearly, it offers something for them that the MK 18 doesn't. 

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SestoElemento
On 7/28/2018 at 5:01 PM, KhandE said:

By all this do u mean 1 shot 1 kill to be easier? If that is the case then i'm with you

 

 

 

 

 

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CossackPuts
On 7/28/2018 at 11:01 AM, KhandE said:

Gladly!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Provide links or gtfo.

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RainmakerM4
On 11/25/2018 at 3:40 PM, Keter said:

To be fair, I would argue that the SCAR 16 with a short barrel would be a better option. However. . .

You do have to take into account the time frames at play here. The 416 came before the MK18 concept was refined to the point it is today. The SCAR, unless I'm mistaken, came after the MK18 was refined to the point it was competitive with the 416. The 416 is pretty old tech at this point, but even still, there's a reason why CAG still uses the 416 as their weapon of choice. Clearly, it offers something for them that the MK 18 doesn't. 

It offers the country to be buying domestic product.

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breakdown0840

Recoil Modding

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RainmakerM4

That looks horrible!

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Himmuguegeli
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Sorry for my late response but @Biscuit-Boy that rail looks awesome. And I agree with RainmakerM4. That "Recoil Mod" of breakdown0840 truly looks horrible. But ergonomics are still nice! So it´s the Inside that counts right? 🤣

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AcegruntCRO
On 5/19/2019 at 8:08 AM, Th3_Notorious said:

HK 416 modding guide - lowest recoil - patch 11.7 - quick and simple guide, if it will help even just 1 person - that would be great! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3byYjplQ9E

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Nice, new player myself, but I own almost an exact one... solid gun as it commences excellent rapid fire dispersion.

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vekongmaster

Dear BSG Weapon Department & all HK416 lovers in EFT,

As I said in the other thread, 

The animation of "Manually Putting One Round into the Chamber of HK416" is kinda wrong. 

In this video (at 6:33) you can clearly see that our PMC has unloaded his magazine outta his HK416. He also has extracted the last round from the chamber. Then he wants to manually insert one round into the chamber. So He needs to pull back the bolt open to feed that one round into the receiver. What really weird is that he just pulls back the bolt by racking the Charging Handle with his left hand (while holding the pistol grip with his right hand) and magically the Bolt Catch locks the Bolt open by itself. Our PMC doesn't even touch that Bolt Catch Release, it just works by itself. He pulls back the Charging Handle and the Bolt magically gets locked to the rear by the Bolt Catch.

This animation is correct only when the gun is loaded with an empty magazine (magazine follower will go up and push up the Bolt Catch as you pull back the bolt). But when the gun is totally empty (no magazine at all), the Bolt Catch Release has to be activated manually with his hand!

 

So imho here's the correct steps to manually put one round into the chamber (the animation should be like this):

1) Hold your gun with your left hand and pull back the Charging Handle with your right hand (it'll pull back the bolt as well)

2) Push down on the Bolt Catch Release with your left hand (while you pull back that charging handle with your right hand). It'll free the Charging Handle so you can push it back forward with your right hand. It'll also lock the Bolt to the rear exposing the Receiver so you can put one round into it with your right hand.

3) Put a round through the ejection port into the receiver with your right hand, then you strike the Bolt Catch button with your left hand to release the bolt forward chambering that one round into the chamber.

 

Here's a very good video to demonstrate the correct way to pull back an AR Bolt (basically the same as HK416) and hold it open:

 

i know this is just a tiny detail, but imho BSG Devs gotta do the Gun Porn right!  ;) 

So with all due respect, please fix it!

 

Thanks in advance,

-Vekongmaster-

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