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lllPug

The fact that the Scav and lvl1 player can one shot you in the thorax with the f ing mosin if you dont wear a Lvl5 armor is so frustrating, especially on factory when a Scav or mosinman with no armor geting close to you and just put there barrel on your chest and oneshot you even so you have an automatic weapon.

Every time I hear or see a mosin I just leave cuz it s not worth the high risk of loosing all my armor point or die if I have a lvl4 or lower.

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stAKato

Irl, it is more than a matter of caliber - the energy, material and ballistic coefficient of a bullet are critical. Class 4 armors (there are two classifications, here, we talk about the EFT one - class IV in the other one is more like a class 6 in EFT) is not enough tough to block a 7.62x54r rifle cartridge. 

On classical Mosin, the energy is not partially redirected to the gas system (unlike the SVD) and the barrel length is long enough to let powder consume itself at its maximum and the rifling ensure the bullet rotation making it stable, prevent tumbles, make it keep its energy longer. 

Soooo: no, your class 4 is not enough to stop a Mosin Nagant fired bullet. 

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lllPug

@stAKato even if what you say is true (which isn't), the game don't want to be 100% realistic, soooooo we don't care 

and the partial redirected energy due the gas system is negligible, learn how guns works.

 

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RoyalKiller

@stAKato Even if in real life the mosin should penetrate a lvl 4 armor, you musn't forget that this is a game, and there's nothing more frustating than getting killed by a single shot in the thorax eventhought you were equipped with a lvl4 or + armor. If you want to make the mosin powerful ok why not, but do not give some to scavs and do not sell it for 20k miserable roubles. The fact is the mosin is too much accessible for it's power, and always seeing players going in factory with only a mosin to kill other player by chance is pretty frustrating.

Nerf the mosin or make it more expensive, and remove it from the scavs.

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CStarker

Getting frustrated when a 7.62x54R goes through your Level 4 vest is unjustified because you are knowingly wearing armor that is not rated for that cartridge. The performance of bullets and armor in this is game is in agreement with real life battlefield statistics and controlled tests.

That being said, the Mosin should be made worse, but not by decreasing its penetrative ability.

Equipment weight has too little effect on stamina and speed. The Mosin is not considered a viable weapon anymore in reality due to its extreme size and weight relative to its power. In Tarkov, this doesn't matter. 

Recoil is also too forgiving in Tarkov. If recoil was increased to realistic levels, the Mosin would be disorienting to fire compared to a modern rifles. Follow up shots would be slower.

Watch some videos of people firing modern weapons that run on 7.6x54R and compare them to people firing Mosins. 

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lllPug

You all just don't understand

The probleme is the oneshot capability of this bullet

I m just saying the Lps 81 damage is too much, it so frustrating to die in one hit in the chest by any random scav or Lvl 1 mosin runner with a 25k rouble budget even so you have more that 200k on you

The .308 is also problematique, the scav with the vepr 101 loaded with M61 can one shot you with the killa face shield

One shot in the chest with armor shouldn't be a thing in this game.

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TarkovCitizen869897

One shot to the chest is and should be a thing in this game, have you ever seen how mutch damage 7.62x54 does?

Maybe the game is to hardcore for you? Adapt or die.

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LeSangliRock

Realism IS THE POINT OF THIS GAME ! 


If you don't like Realism Don't play this game and go back on Battlefield Series or COD !


NOOB

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bp_968
On 4/22/2019 at 10:02 AM, stAKato said:

On classical Mosin, the energy is not partially redirected to the gas system (unlike the SVD) and the barrel length is long enough to let powder consume itself at its maximum and the rifling ensure the bullet rotation making it stable, prevent tumbles, make it keep its energy longer. 

Soooo: no, your class 4 is not enough to stop a Mosin Nagant fired bullet. 

So this isn't really a thing (the gas system causing a bullet to "lose energy") at least not in a even moderately well made rifle.  The reason a semi-auto would have lower velocity is due to the fact that modern rifles just tend to be shorter than older rifles.  Given the same length barrel between a modern semi and modern (or old) bolt action the velocity would be roughly the same.  The bullet it outside the gun before the gas system has had time to do anything.

True realism would have a big portion of accuracy be related to the bullet and not the rifle.  A good example is almost any AR15/M16 based rifle.  Unless the barrel is totally shot out or its just a really badly made barrel most AR15s are capable of 1 MOA or even better.  Yet standard M855 is typically only 3 MOA.  Often general purpose AP ammo is worse accuracy than "sniper" or hunting focused ammo.

They could probably help balance the ammo out a little better by adding an accuracy number to them as well as damage, penetration and cost.  That way someone using a RSAS or other long range weapon could focus on ammo with good accuracy over AP ammo.  

They also need to separate out accuracy on specific rifles.  It's a very special mosin that could manage long range headshots consistently.  Your typical mosin is 3-5 MOA with surplus ammo, which means a headshot past 150 yards/meters is random luck and torso shots get that way past 300 yards/meters.  The sniper variant can get down to 1.5 MOA with carefully handloaded Norma brass and match bullets (so *not* surplus ammo).  Contrast that with the Remington 700 shooting the M61/M2 AP ammo can get 1 MOA or better with factory loads and well down to .5-.75 MOA with handloads using the same projectiles.

TLDR, you could differentiate the rifles and their ammo with changes to how accuracy is modeled.

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lllPug

Well there was a change yesturday they up the price of the mosin to the point that the mosin sniper cost more than the SV-98,

let see if it change anything.

And @bp_968 I noticed that they add accuracy and recoil stat on the on the SPP and BP for 9x39

 

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